now there is a life philosophy. I hope it works for you.



I did.



If AEM is to expensive, how do you plan on tuning megasquirt? Because being relatively unknow means that you will spend more money getting it to work correctly versus spending a bit more up front to go with a proven system.

Do you have any other modifications that will help support your engine spinning 9,000 to 11,000 rpm? Are you running a stock cam? springs/retainers/etc? Did you build the engine?



It overclocks the ECU. thus everything the ECU does, it does at an increased speed by the same percentage.


I have to say, for someone that has taken the SOHC 3000 and made it as fast as a VR4 above 4,000 RPM, you seem to still have alot of questions.

I also hang out with the 300zx crew on occasion. They have a guy with a SOHC 300zx that is making 215 hp to the wheels. that is alot for an NA SOHC. he has a LOT of work done to his car.

that is still less wheel horsepower then a HEALTHY vr4.

I guess I'm looking at what Greg wrote, and still wondering what kind of sick or half dead VR4s you are racing.

The tried and true well established path is to just drop in a DOHC or DOHC TT engine, and actually make some power without hitting a platuea where droping shit tons of money for very tiny gains becomes the norm.

but each to their own.

good luck pissing people off until they answer your questions.


And just to review, aren't you the guy that was running NAWS at the GB gathering MANY MANY years ago that took the shoulder on the highway to pass a bunch of people, and had the carbon fiber hood flip back and smash all over the place?

k, thanks.

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yes i do have (NITROUS) no i havent used it at any gatherings yes i passed people on the shoulder (after they cut me off intentionally on the highway) and yes my CF hood got destroyed but that was in madison.

and ya know, its amazing what a set of cams and some solid lifters with a good set of springs and retainers will do after some mild portwork to the heads and some bigger valves with a little higher compression and a set of long tube headders will do.

im not one of those kiddie street racers that thinks NAWWWS is cool. it is simply another tool used to produce safe horsepower when used correctly.

and i don't need to state my mechanical credentials. those who know me know my background.

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I never asked for your mechanical credentials.

I don't care, to be honest.

I asked if you had any other work done to your engine that would allow you to spin it in the RPM range you asked about, because that is relative to how your question gets answered.

In any rate, I also saw you posting about the S-AFC in the for sale thread. I would also suggest picking up a Apexi timing control unit, if that is the way you are going. while you could adjust the timing via the distributor, it would be better to adjust it based on RPM and load, and with the air fuel controller and the timing controller you should be able to do that.

It would also allow you independent settings with nitrious on and off.

however, I don't know if those units will disable the RPM cutoff.

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actually i'm picking up the afc for my nieces car but thanks. i think i"ll look into getting them for her aswell.

i have tried adjusting he timing via the distributor but the ecu auto corrects for that. there is a way to do it with my jacobs ignition system aswell but i have yet to look into that either.

as stated in the first post. i have just recently resurected my girl and have yet to get to any of the real meat.

that problem being login issues with 3si and not getting them resolved yet.

my biggest issue is i have an emanage blue but I dont know the correct wire pins on the ecu for the hookup on my 94 sohc bastard hybrid and even if i did i think this one might have gotten fubar when some knucklehead tried to install the software update.

thats why i was contemplating other options based on bang for the buck versus going straight for the aem.

the megasquirt is the newest thing out there and i was curious what input people had to say about it.

emanage ultimate is a proven platform although it is a piggyback unlike both the afore mentioned aem and megasquirt and although it maynot have all the features those two have it does have everything I will need.

maf-t pro. well all i know about it is what ive read on the 3sx website considering i cant access the 3si forum to do anymore research.

now i like the idea of having the independant nitrous on / off settings though so that is something else for me to make a mental note about...

i would almost think that the timing controler should be able to controll rev limit but that would just make to much sense..and henseforth couldnt possibly happen.

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it's not possible that the ecu would know you adjusted the base igition timing and correct for it.... The only time it adjusts timing is when it detects knock.

So do you have cams, better springs etc, headwork, higher compression pistons(or I suppose a shaved head...) and headers or not?

What compression did you go with? Aren't the SOHC engines lower compression then the DOHC engines to start? the DOHC are ten to one... for some reason I thought the singles were in the nines...

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have them I do. on the motor they are not. all suporting mods are in place. i have done everything down to the heads sofar. as soon as my truck is backfrom the painter and the shop from its overhaul I'm pulling the engine from the car then storing it until I'm done with the motor. then the car goes for its new clothes then I will put the motor back in. by that time I should have all the theoretical bugs worked out of the tuning..

yes the sohc motors are like 8.9:1 comp and you are correct i plan to shave the head to gain compression 9.3:1 (dont ask thats just the way it came out on the math) yes i have the long tube headders valves will be bigger but how much depends on how things work out on the flow bench after porting. springs will be 10% heavier with the cams from 3sx with titanium retainers

Greg as far as the timing goes thats what i thought aswell which was why i did it. when first started there was a noticable difference. but subsequent restarts it seemed to be back to where it was by timing light.

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So a few posts up, when you were talking about how all of those modifications make a huge difference, you don't actually know how much of a difference they will make. At least on your car. perhaps you do on some other car, or on some other platform, but not on your car?

I just hope that you are not dissapointed once you dump this money into it.

I'm also curious why you are so against slapping some turbos on the car... It's an easy way to increase horsepower, but some people are just all about the NA thing, I suppose...

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and there it is. i knew it was coming sooner or later. that I'm better than you attitude you always display. yeah I remember you, always trying to prove somebodyelse wrong or make them look stupid just to make yourself look better than them. seriously now, go find someone else to bother with your turbos are better crap.

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You are a fucking idiot.

I have only met you once. At the GB gathering many years ago when you passed people on the right hand shoulder of the highway.

To be honest, if you were on the board and I said something to you I don't remember. That is how little I care.

And you should expect some one to post that. Because it is an already established path that will give proven gains for less money.

If you want to be different that's fine. I never said that "turbos are better." never. go back and quote me where I said that.

If I can read correctly, I asked why you were against slapping a couple of turbos onto your engine. Which is still a valid question... Did turbos kill a family member of yours? Did a turbo touch you somewhere inappropriate when you were a child?

Lets take a few seconds to look at some simple facts. You already have a lower comp. ratio. That right there is boost friendly. You are already looking to change out to a fuel controller and bigger injectors. You haven't put the headers on your car yet, so you could still slap some turbos on. All of the head work will help the forced induction.

Instead, you are shaving the head, getting NA headers, and dropping ass loads of cash into an engine for minimal hp gains. And you aren't even going to get the higher comp. ratio of simply dropping in a DOHC engine.

I'm going to level with you here. As I've said from the begining I don't care if you want to pimp out your SOHC. I don't care if you put a fucking nuke reactor in your car hooked up to a flux capacitor.

I just see you coming on the board, having small penis syndrome with your SOHC, and trying to make certain that everyone knows that your car is "stock turbo car fast." Who cares? A stock VR4 isn't even that fast.

You are modding a car to be slow.

Have fun with that.

Oh, and just so you know, this is also what you get when you come onto a forum and annoy people until they start giving you answers. You get the answers that you may not want to hear, even though they are the truth.

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Pretty good read. I'll chime in on the MegaSquirt, I recently converted my dad's 68 Torino to Megasquirt, it looked easy after doing the reading, but once you get going you soon realize it' isn't a piece of cake. I built the ECU, found all the sensors at the junk yard and wired it up. I ended up going TBI so my injector setup was very straight forward, and I ended up leaving the timing up to the distributor for now, but I have it all wired up and configured if I want to enable it down the road. It's pretty slick, even have an IAC hooked up to keep the idle nice and steady where it sounds good.

Tuning with the WB was not bad, most of it I did with the VE Analyzer. I've got a video somewhere of what the software looks like I could post up.

Only downside, the total came out to around $1000, which I think the AEM is around, if so I would go that route. You'd also have to figure out all the timing, all the injector stuff and how all the mitsu sensors work. I had the luxury of finding well documented parts which made the job a lot easier.

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thanks CC thats the kind of input i am looking for.

the only question i have is the extra cost that brought it up to 1000 was incurred by purchasing the sensors that the car obviously didn't come with from the factory right? meaning that I should already have all neccesary sensors aside from say those related to the speed density swapout from the stock mas

how was the software setup. was it pretty involved or was it relatively user friendly.

and to that other guy who has resorted to childishly calling me names since his second post. turbos might be good for what you are doing with your car. but i not making a big hp drag racer. my goals arent the same as yours. therefore my aproach to tuning my car and the way I make my hp are going to differ from yours. if I were to go with a forced induction platform to make more hp in the future it would be a supercharger anyway so what I am doing is what I am going to continue to do and nothing you can say is going to change my mind so stop trying to prove your point. and you keep bringing up past events like its trying to make me look foolish, but anyone who was there would have saw that those kids pulled out infront of me and i had no choice but to go the route i did. and come to think of it they were some kids that someoneelse invited to our outing and that incident is partially the reason that we dont allow non members to attend our gatherings anymore. so grow up and nock it off already.

"small penis syndrome" (NICE) real mature..

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Name calling in the second post? I didn't call you any names in my second post.

Once again, please quote my second post where I called you names. Or even called you ONE name.

It's the damndest thing about electronic forums, you can go back and read them, and everything is there. It will even tell you if someone edited something, which I haven't.

You started the name calling with "prissy VR-4 owners."

That was you chief, not me.




I never said you had to put turbos on. Quote me where I said that. I may have said it was a well traveled path to get the horsepower you were looking for, but I never said, "OMG DO TURBOS! DO IT NOAW!"

I asked you why you didn't want to simply slap some turbos on your car for extra horsepower and then you had a tantrum like a four year old girl that got her favorite doll taken away.

In fact up to this very point you have done nothing but talk about modifications you haven't done yet, and ask for help while insulting people. Now in this last post you say you'd do a supercharger.

That's cool bro.

why?

Do you just want to be different? That's fine. I can relate to that.

But instead of taking two seconds to type, "hey, I just don't want to run turbos because the name turbo sounds gay," or "I just want to be different," or "In my family turbocharged cars are seen as a fashion faux-pas," you go off about how I'm keeping you down like usual when I don't even know you.




Passing someone on the right hand shoulder of the highway is always foolish. I have heard both sides of the story... To be honest, both sides sound foolish.

Not to mention there is no possible way your "only choice" was to fly by them on the right shoulder. That was the option you found preferable.

Also, by saying "keep bringing it up" you make it sound like I post about it non-stop. I don't. I asked if you were indeed the person that did it, and then I said the only time I met you was when you pulled that stunt. Once again, reading comprehension for the fawking win.




In another thread you started, almost at the same time as this thread, you state that "it has been a while." I have not seen you at any gatherings in the last... oh, roughly three years. Give or take of course.

So how would you know who is allowed to attend our gatherings?

Fudgesticks, I host a gathering. Are you telling me who I can or cannot invite?

Not to mention, I've been to gatherings recently that had other cars at them...




If the shoe fits...

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wow dude. i understand. you are the king of this universe. i humbly submit to you that you are infact the center of all things. now please stop posting on this thread. you have already taken it to far off topic to recover.

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Well, ECU was $350 or something, then I had to get the relay output board which was another $100. After that I had to pick up a wideband which I believe was another $200. That's probably all you'd need assuming your capable of soldering and making your own cables.

I'd be suprised if you can use all the stock sensors, but I have no idea.

I got everything from DIYAutotune.com

http://gallery.me.com/ccrunner84/100005 ... t%20Torino

This should show a video of TunerStudio just to get an idea what it looks like, it's all gauges, don't really have anything to show with the tables.

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