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ccrunner84
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Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 5:01 pm |
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ttangel wrote: so let me get this straight, your running oth the krank vent and the PCV valve...? stop that. one is a replacement for the other, not an "ok, we'll run both" thing. do you have it plumbed inline, or in a "y"? The PCV valve, and the krank vent are the same thing, just a dumb check valve. one is cheap plastic, and the other is suppose to be a better metal equvilant with precision manufacturing which will hold back more boost for cars running more than 15 - 18 psi. so if you hook it up: |intake tube| ------ |PCV valve --->| ------ |krank vent ---->| ------ |valve cover| It's like running two oil filters. which some poeple would say is good because you getting extra filtration, but others would say is bad because you may be dropping oil pressure to much across both. but back to your thing. you now have to have BOTH check valves working properly for the system to function. if one or the other is stuck, you car will blow oil on decel. so first. take one or the other out. if your running them in a "y", show me how, because I'm not gonna guess. next. the puddle. any stains on the back of the engine? Did you re-use/leave the oil return line in the back turbo alone? could be a leaking oil return line which drips on the exhaust? that should make smoke any time the rpms are up though. I would also think that the VSS would leak any time the oil pressure is high enough to push oil past the bad seal, or any time the RPM is up. Your problem sounds like the PCV valve/system is not working, your pressurizing the crankcase/valve covers, and it's blowing oil past the rings, which is running it through the engine, and out the tailpipe... but the leak adds new dimensions... sooOOoooo do step one. then check back. The small krank vent is in-line with a brand new PCV valve, I believe I saw this on stealth316.com but I could be incorrect. I took off the large krank vent that goes from the rear valve cover to the bubble. Oil lines to and from turbo's are used, they are not new. I believe the oil all over the valve cover was a horrible stock oil cap, I threw on an aftermarket one with a good oring and it didn't seem to blow like it did before. As for stains on the back of the engine I don't know, I had to get up around 4AM this morning to catch a flight so I couldn't mess around anymore last night. Something is leaking near the rear of the engine, there is definetly blue smoke from the back of the engine and out the tail pipe when you rev it. I'll do some mirror hunting late Saturday evening and see what I can find for leaks.
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ccrunner84
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Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 5:03 pm |
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440 4x4 wrote: It's coming out the exhaust and inside the engine bay? This is unusual to say the least. And only after you let off from boosting? Jeff after running it hard I pulled into the garage. Reving it up a little makes it smoke from the engine bay 'somewhere' and out the pipes.
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SJ
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Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 5:07 pm |
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ccrunner84 wrote: I believe the oil all over the valve cover was a horrible stock oil cap, I threw on an aftermarket one with a good oring and it didn't seem to blow like it did before. So are you saying it leaked but not as bad? SJ
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ccrunner84
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Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 5:17 pm |
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SJ wrote: ccrunner84 wrote: I believe the oil all over the valve cover was a horrible stock oil cap, I threw on an aftermarket one with a good oring and it didn't seem to blow like it did before. So are you saying it leaked but not as bad? SJ Theres a film around the bottom of the cap, its nothing like before, it could be residual from the other cap. I need to really clean that area and drive it again since I made some changes to the PCV system. Something else I did was remove that large rear valve cover krank vent and replace that whole tube to the 'bubble' with some clear tubing. I would figure if I was building up so much pressure in the crank case I'd see SOMETHING inside that tube. Pipe is perfectly clear still, no signs of oil, or visible film on the inside walls. Anyone else confused or is it just me? 
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SJ
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Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 5:59 pm |
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ccrunner84 wrote: Theres a film around the bottom of the cap, its nothing like before, it could be residual from the other cap. I need to really clean that area and drive it again since I made some changes to the PCV system. That sounds normal. ccrunner84 wrote: Something else I did was remove that large rear valve cover krank vent and replace that whole tube to the 'bubble' with some clear tubing. I would figure if I was building up so much pressure in the crank case I'd see SOMETHING inside that tube. Pipe is perfectly clear still, no signs of oil, or visible film on the inside walls. Anyone else confused or is it just me? I'd be careful with that clear tubing. Some of it is crap and won't stand up to the oil itself. It can then breakdown or collapse. SJ
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ccrunner84
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Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 6:58 pm |
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SJ wrote: ccrunner84 wrote: Theres a film around the bottom of the cap, its nothing like before, it could be residual from the other cap. I need to really clean that area and drive it again since I made some changes to the PCV system. That sounds normal. ccrunner84 wrote: Something else I did was remove that large rear valve cover krank vent and replace that whole tube to the 'bubble' with some clear tubing. I would figure if I was building up so much pressure in the crank case I'd see SOMETHING inside that tube. Pipe is perfectly clear still, no signs of oil, or visible film on the inside walls. Anyone else confused or is it just me? I'd be careful with that clear tubing. Some of it is crap and won't stand up to the oil itself. It can then breakdown or collapse. SJ It was taken off right after I got back home, hopefully I'll find something obvious Saturday evening /crossfingers 
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ttangel
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Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 7:31 am |
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Joined: Fri Jul 23, 2004 2:25 pm Posts: 2502 Location: Green Bay
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I think I may have had my one directional arrows backwards. I'd have to look at the car to tell you yeah or nay. It's to easy to get it backwards when your just internet-jockeying.
just wanted to say that...
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ccrunner84
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Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 6:20 pm |
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ttangel wrote: I think I may have had my one directional arrows backwards. I'd have to look at the car to tell you yeah or nay. It's to easy to get it backwards when your just internet-jockeying.
just wanted to say that... Are you talking about the Krank Vents with the huge red arrows? 
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My94r/t
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Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 11:43 am |
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ccrunner84 wrote: ttangel wrote: I think I may have had my one directional arrows backwards. I'd have to look at the car to tell you yeah or nay. It's to easy to get it backwards when your just internet-jockeying.
just wanted to say that... Are you talking about the Krank Vents with the huge red arrows?  You mean the ones even a n00b couldn't miss? 
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ccrunner84
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Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 3:24 pm |
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Well, just reving it some after it warms up leads to blue smoke out the exhaust now. Should I drop the down pipe and see if its coming from both banks?
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ttangel
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Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 9:31 am |
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Joined: Fri Jul 23, 2004 2:25 pm Posts: 2502 Location: Green Bay
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ccrunner84 wrote: ttangel wrote: I think I may have had my one directional arrows backwards. I'd have to look at the car to tell you yeah or nay. It's to easy to get it backwards when your just internet-jockeying.
just wanted to say that... Are you talking about the Krank Vents with the huge red arrows?  I was talking about my craptasitic arrows <----- | | -----> they may be backwards.
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ccrunner84
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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 8:17 pm |
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Back from the dead, still can't figure it out. I had new exhaust put on the car, sounds awesome Anyways, car still smokes when I let it sit a long time and rev it and when I do a hard run and completely let off the Accelerator. I've checked plugs and they are spotless, show no signs of oil being burned. I took these pictures of the turbo, I do get some oil on the compressor side around the outlet and inlet. FRONT TURBO   REAR TURBO   These pictures aren't *great* but does anything LOOK suspicious. Also, these were both clean before installing on the car, no black suite(sp?) on the exhaust side.
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SJ
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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 9:16 pm |
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ccrunner84
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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 9:53 pm |
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Both turbos', first two are the front, second two are the rear.
These were taken about 4 day's after its been drivin, I probably need to start it up and get it to smoke and take some pics again to really get some descent results.
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SJ
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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 10:13 pm |
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ccrunner84 wrote: Both turbos', first two are the front, second two are the rear.
These were taken about 4 day's after its been drivin, I probably need to start it up and get it to smoke and take some pics again to really get some descent results. I don't know -- I'm not seeing serious residue here. SJ
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